One of Eric's tools for authentication - Joni Mitchell (short version) - Autograph Live2024-03-29T14:38:08Zhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/one-of-eric-s-tools-for-authenication-joni-mitchell-short-version?xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks for your comments Stev…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2021-09-21:3524372:Comment:16680452021-09-21T23:09:28.304ZEric Keith Longohttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Eric947
<p>Thanks for your comments Steve. It looks like you did very well to follow your instincts! I have the same sorts of "feelings" about Bowie (1976-1980) and Jackie Gleason (1945-1987), but it is very useful to have hard tools to use when needed. I'd love to hear more about the techniques of others beyond the obvious. We three, and Josh, are the only ones in this thread! :( </p>
<p>Thanks for your comments Steve. It looks like you did very well to follow your instincts! I have the same sorts of "feelings" about Bowie (1976-1980) and Jackie Gleason (1945-1987), but it is very useful to have hard tools to use when needed. I'd love to hear more about the techniques of others beyond the obvious. We three, and Josh, are the only ones in this thread! :( </p> Sorry, guys. I have a lot go…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2021-09-21:3524372:Comment:16683222021-09-21T22:58:33.161ZStepeanuthttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Stepeanut
<p>Sorry, guys. I have a lot going on at the moment, but I am still around and very grateful to you both for your thoughtful and knowledgeable comments.</p>
<p><br></br>Happy to hear you’ve warmed to this autograph, Pauline. There are certainly artists whose signature I know better than Joni’s, but I do have a ‘feel’ for her myself, and this example called to me from the moment I saw it listed online. I rarely spend more than a few pounds on autographs without provenance. This one isn’t flashy,…</p>
<p>Sorry, guys. I have a lot going on at the moment, but I am still around and very grateful to you both for your thoughtful and knowledgeable comments.</p>
<p><br/>Happy to hear you’ve warmed to this autograph, Pauline. There are certainly artists whose signature I know better than Joni’s, but I do have a ‘feel’ for her myself, and this example called to me from the moment I saw it listed online. I rarely spend more than a few pounds on autographs without provenance. This one isn’t flashy, and wasn’t expensive in the grand scheme of things, yet everything about it feels right to me.</p> Thank you Pauline, for the ki…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2021-09-21:3524372:Comment:16681182021-09-21T22:43:01.895ZEric Keith Longohttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Eric947
<p>Thank you Pauline, for the kind words, keen observations, story and notion of how it was signed - I agree - possibly signed standing. Wonder where Steve went? I wish there were more aditions to this thread. I'm a little surprised actually, but not much. Oh well. :) </p>
<p>Have a great week!</p>
<p>Thank you Pauline, for the kind words, keen observations, story and notion of how it was signed - I agree - possibly signed standing. Wonder where Steve went? I wish there were more aditions to this thread. I'm a little surprised actually, but not much. Oh well. :) </p>
<p>Have a great week!</p> I must admit agree, I am 90%…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2021-09-21:3524372:Comment:16681122021-09-21T22:24:16.899ZPauline Berryhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/PaulineBerry
<p>I must admit agree, I am 90% sure it is authentic now too. The "Joni" does it, but the other thing I notice is the underlying positioning, for example, the "Mitchell" on these examples has a slight rise, or bridge if compared to a straight lined page. This is a good rule for figuring out Marilyn Monroe too. She has a particular "bridge" as well, which can disappear when signing on a flat line - the rest of the time, her signature in the wild has a pronounced reliable bridge underlying the…</p>
<p>I must admit agree, I am 90% sure it is authentic now too. The "Joni" does it, but the other thing I notice is the underlying positioning, for example, the "Mitchell" on these examples has a slight rise, or bridge if compared to a straight lined page. This is a good rule for figuring out Marilyn Monroe too. She has a particular "bridge" as well, which can disappear when signing on a flat line - the rest of the time, her signature in the wild has a pronounced reliable bridge underlying the "Monroe". On Joni Mitchell , the rise is from the c and then resolves into oversized "l"s. I spotted the o in Joni as being hers too. The "n" in her writing my name "Pauline", is a very similar "n" in the lower autograph also. </p>
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<p>I always think too, it's a one shot at ruining a perfectly good original tour program with a bad fake. So highly likely to be real. As I said, my only hesitation, was the direction correction at the beginning and end of the Mitchell.</p>
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<p>I feel like I have a "feel" for Joni's autograph now too. It's a good study. </p>
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<p>Joni was seated at a booth table in the hotel restaurant when she signed my autograph. Nice flat relaxed situation, post show, with her husband by her side. The lower autograph may have possibly been signed standing without a hard surface.</p> Bump once more for those inte…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2021-09-21:3524372:Comment:16683072021-09-21T20:06:15.010ZEric Keith Longohttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Eric947
<p>Bump once more for those interested in authentication techniques.</p>
<p>Bump once more for those interested in authentication techniques.</p> Hi Steve, Pauline,
Very busy…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2021-09-20:3524372:Comment:16676022021-09-20T15:33:27.018ZEric Keith Longohttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Eric947
<p>Hi Steve, Pauline,</p>
<p>Very busy today, but one thing I noticed is the same construction of the "o". I believe Steve's is authentic:…</p>
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<p>Hi Steve, Pauline,</p>
<p>Very busy today, but one thing I noticed is the same construction of the "o". I believe Steve's is authentic:</p>
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<p></p> Hi Pauline and Eric,
Thank y…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2021-09-19:3524372:Comment:16673402021-09-19T09:00:59.876ZStepeanuthttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Stepeanut
<p>Hi Pauline and Eric,</p>
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<p>Thank you both for responding again.</p>
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<p>This autograph is on the front cover of a tour programme, so it’s on heavy, slightly glossy, card stock, not paper. (Eric, if you have a copy of Bowie’s 1983 Serious Moonlight Tour programme, it’s not dissimilar to that in feel.)</p>
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<p>The two awkward points, on the M and the final L are among the easiest points in Joni’s signature for a potential forger to get right. All the difficult stuff…</p>
<p>Hi Pauline and Eric,</p>
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<p>Thank you both for responding again.</p>
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<p>This autograph is on the front cover of a tour programme, so it’s on heavy, slightly glossy, card stock, not paper. (Eric, if you have a copy of Bowie’s 1983 Serious Moonlight Tour programme, it’s not dissimilar to that in feel.)</p>
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<p>The two awkward points, on the M and the final L are among the easiest points in Joni’s signature for a potential forger to get right. All the difficult stuff looks spot on here, to me. This is why I’m of the opinion that this was signed in less than ideal circumstances, perhaps stood at the stage door after a gig. I have certainly gotten one or two shaky stage door autographs over the years.</p>
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<p>For me, the shoulder of the lowercase ’h’ is a good sign. Joni tended to do a quick, pointy flick of the pen, before looping into the ‘e’. So many forgers get this wrong, and some miss it out completely. But, again, it looks correct to me here.</p>
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<p>I bought the programme from a Nottingham auction house, so the nearest gig on Joni’s 1983 tour schedule would be Birmingham, but who knows where the programme has been over the last 38 years.</p>
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<p>Eric, it sounds like you want to take another, deeper look at this. As always, I am most grateful for your time and expertise, and look forward to hearing your final conclusion.</p> Hello Pauline, Steve,
I feel…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2021-09-18:3524372:Comment:16674092021-09-18T22:57:10.522ZEric Keith Longohttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Eric947
<p>Hello Pauline, Steve,</p>
<p>I feel the same way. I don'r think the paper is textured, just heavy and glossy. You can get a feel for the paper by the creases and hairlines in the high res scan. I was out all day until dinnertime and am way to tired to delve into this now, but I will shortly. I think Steve did well.</p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Eric</p>
<p>Hello Pauline, Steve,</p>
<p>I feel the same way. I don'r think the paper is textured, just heavy and glossy. You can get a feel for the paper by the creases and hairlines in the high res scan. I was out all day until dinnertime and am way to tired to delve into this now, but I will shortly. I think Steve did well.</p>
<p>Best wishes,</p>
<p>Eric</p> Hi!
Well that second scan is…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2021-09-18:3524372:Comment:16673282021-09-18T22:06:06.000ZPauline Berryhttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/PaulineBerry
<p>Hi!</p>
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<p>Well that second scan is a lot better. It certainly moves the needle for me. Though I like the Joni, more than the Mitchell, much is right about it compared to my own one, for example, from the same era. </p>
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<p>So the paper is somewhat heavy and textured? I can't get my head around the couple of slowness signs at the start and end of Mitchell, but other than, it could well be authentic. I couldn't call it, as I only do Marilyn Monroe. </p>
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<p>Well that second scan is a lot better. It certainly moves the needle for me. Though I like the Joni, more than the Mitchell, much is right about it compared to my own one, for example, from the same era. </p>
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<p>So the paper is somewhat heavy and textured? I can't get my head around the couple of slowness signs at the start and end of Mitchell, but other than, it could well be authentic. I couldn't call it, as I only do Marilyn Monroe. </p> Okay, so the programme arrive…tag:live.autographmagazine.com,2021-09-18:3524372:Comment:16673002021-09-18T12:20:04.329ZStepeanuthttps://live.autographmagazine.com/profile/Stepeanut
<p>Okay, so the programme arrived this morning — great service from the auction house — and I’ve taken a couple of photos. Click through for high res:</p>
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<p>Thoughts and opinions…</p>
<p>Okay, so the programme arrived this morning — great service from the auction house — and I’ve taken a couple of photos. Click through for high res:</p>
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<p>Thoughts and opinions welcome.</p>